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thank you

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okay here we go UAP studies podcast

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welcome to it I am Louis Borges joining

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me as always Jason gilmet how are you my

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friend hello hello I'm doing very good

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I'm so excited for this episode this has

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been a long time uh something I want to

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have had a lot for a long time so having

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this uh Calvin on the show today is

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awesome absolutely our esteemed guest

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today is Calvin Parker and he's here to

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discuss his uh incident that happened in

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the 1973 in Pascagoula Mississippi uh

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he's told his story many times but for

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our listeners that haven't heard of them

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before or aren't familiar he's going to

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sort of bring us through it so uh Calvin

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you know take it from there and uh tell

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us about your fishing trip with your

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friend Charlie

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Lord that was one I'll never forget

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that's been 50 years I still remember it

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uh

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while I was working to tell you a little

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bit about how I got started I was

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working in the oil fields lived in

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Laurel

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and uh

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I was tired of working 16 hours a day

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seven days a week and back then that's

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what it was so I called Charlie I'm

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asking for a job he said yeah I have an

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opening at the uh

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FB Walker Sun Shipyard if you would come

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on down and go to work I said yeah

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so I went down my first day there I

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always tell everybody I got hard and fog

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and got a physical the first day

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so um I went down and

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brassed in and we worked all day and we

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got time to get off Charlie that's me

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said do you want to go fishing

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I said well yeah but I didn't bring no

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fishing poles with me he said well I got

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something you can buy

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welfare

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a man delonious fishing poles from the

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south that's something else it's like

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giving you his firstborn

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so it's a big deal yeah yeah it is

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so we went got off work about five and

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went by his apartment and got uh

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sufficient pose suspending reels

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and he said I know a place down by the

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old Green Hill that's where they unload

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the Grain in the fish come up and eat he

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said I used to catch a lot of fish here

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so we got there and we wasn't there five

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minutes and what they call these little

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gnats is no Sims

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what they call them up here

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they got a mouth about the size of a

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five gallon bucket they hurt when they

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bite but you can't see them

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so they were so bad he said let's go I

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know another place let's go over there

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and try and then they're still that bad

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we'll go home

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so we left there and went to the uh Shaw

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painters Shipyard

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and I noticed when we got to the

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shipyard it was posted signs there now

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and uh

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I said Charlie we're gonna get in

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trouble fishing here

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he said now I'll fish here many times we

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won't get in trouble I said okay you go

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get me out of jail we go to jail he said

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don't worry so we walked past there it

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took about 15 minutes to get to where we

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was going to fish from where the car was

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because it's so much debris you know

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on the ground where the tide had to come

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in and left it and then it went out and

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left left the debris

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so we sat down on Oak pier and I

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remember looking out across up here

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across the river

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and uh there was no boat uh Coast Guard

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Cutter or Noah ship one and it was made

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out of steel and in my mind I was

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thinking well how does something Man of

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and I noticed some blue lights coming

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from our back across the water some blue

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lights it was color the the police cars

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uh have blue lights on so I thought it

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was a log down there to run us off

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so we stood up and turned around and

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looked

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and before we can uh get stood up good

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there was this bright light to come all

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over us out bright as any Searchlight

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I've ever seen except you know

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it wasn't a Searchlight it was coming

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from inside the craft and I'll explain

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that when I get a little better to it

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okay and that was three bulky looking

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creatures coming down toward us

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and uh you couldn't really make them out

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but you know you could tell it was three

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of whatever it was so it's coming

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and the closer they got the scarier I

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got the scared of Charlie got to be

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honest with you

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so two of them got a hold of Charlie and

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one of them got a hold of me and

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immediately I felt uh sting in my arms

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which they found out later through blood

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work and all that they gave us an

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injection of some kind they don't know

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what it was but they gave us one so I

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figured that helped us relax

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and I just relaxed and uh I couldn't

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move nothing but my eyeballs and broke

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my head a little bit

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so this thing carried us to the y'all

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I wanted to say I want to say the door

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on it but I guess it was adored

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you know it was open in there so he

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carried us in and that's when I noticed

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the lights was coming out of the wall

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the searchlights instead of being a big

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craft out of the wall

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and I thought that was unusual and still

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I had no idea what it you know what this

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was I couldn't really see what had me by

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the arm because he gave me that uh shot

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or what I assumed was a shot

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well we got to the door and

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I don't remember seeing Charlie after

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that but this thing made a left turn

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we went down the hallway for 20 about 10

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and it turned right and there was a

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um examination room what I call it that

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was there

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and I noticed in this room when I was

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looking in the door there was um

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it looked like a glass bed or I assumed

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it was glass because it was clear

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and this thing carried me up when he

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laid me on this bed

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and uh the bed was at an angle I'd say a

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45 degree angle

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and he laid me there and he didn't strap

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me down or nothing right there and I

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couldn't move

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so he laid us on the bed and he backed

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and went over to a corner and just shut

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and I noticed him then he moved kind of

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uh mechanically wise so I figured

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he was a robot of what I guessed

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and then uh I was laying there and

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there's something to come out of the

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ceiling about the size of a deck of

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cards and it come down the foot from my

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but every time it would go it would

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and then it shot back up in the ceiling

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I I can't even Zone uh imagine what that

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was but anyhow it did and it shot back

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up and it disappeared into the ceiling

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and then I felt a presence

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and I heard it really didn't hear

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nothing but I just felt like it was

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something they were watching me and I

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rode my head to the uh made my ride

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and I noticed this female looking

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creature had come out or I call her a

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creature it looked like a woman looked

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like a regular woman

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and I've said it before and I said it

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now she was so regular looking that if

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you bumped into her in a bar

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and you had enough drinks you'd probably

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ask her out

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that's how normal looking she was there

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was no features to her at all Calvin

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that set her apart at all that she would

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just look pure human well the only thing

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that would set her apart and I noticed

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her hands because she had her she I

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could see her hands

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and uh her two middle fingers on each

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hand was a little longer than uh

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any normal one but she didn't have no

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breasts and uh she had regular eyes

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mouth nose

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had hair

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and the lights was kind of blue screen

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in there so it made her hair look bluish

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green but I know it was

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you know a regular color

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but she'd come over and she put her left

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hand on my jaw

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and I noticed then it really wasn't no

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feeling to her skin

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of course I was scared by then my shots

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started wearing off or whatever I had

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and she took her right hand

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and she took her left hand pushed down

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on my jaw and my mouth was open and she

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took her right two middle fingers to run

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down my throat and they went past that

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little hangy damn thing in the back oh I

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don't know what it's called it's an

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epiglottis is what they call that is

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that what they call it epiglottis yeah

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the back of your throat your little

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punching bag I've worn it for years what

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that thing was called

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well now you know brother yeah

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and I started gagging throwing up

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and uh she yanked her hand out real

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quick like her fingers

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and I couldn't figure out really what

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she was doing it it scared me I started

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bleeding and she had scratched my throat

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up and all and I was bleeding real bad

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and she pulled out and she mentally I

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think she said now I don't know that

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that she said it was we don't mean to

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harm you or I'm not going to harm you

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but anyhow the damage was done right

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so she pulled out

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and it was blood it was gushing blood

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what I mean was she had scratched me up

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and uh

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I was thinking well you know she did

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harm me

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and she made a noise I don't know if I

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ever heard a mating call off alligator

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or not but no if you own a swamp it

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vibrates the whole swamp you can hear

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from miles it's kind of goop go go

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and she made a noise like that and what

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I call a mating call for an alligator

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and I noticed

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I heard a noise over on my left and I

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turned around and looked and this

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creature that had shut down like a Jack

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In The Box come alive like a Jack In The

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Box

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and he come over to where I was

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well he grabbed me by the left arm again

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and you could hear a little Goose air or

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something like

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and when they grabbed me by the arm and

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I got relaxed again

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so I figured oh they said it's emergency

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room at the ER

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that uh because we went right after this

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happened

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that it it looked like my arm was split

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and they had pictures of it

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and uh my arm was kind of split and he

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said that a lot of times in the service

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they have give so many vaccinations they

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got it like a gallon jug with a vaccine

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in it and they have air guns

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and it looked like we're one of them and

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split my arm they come out with such

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pressure didn't split so that's what

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they're sending the doctors you know

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saying Dr Bosco

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but anyhow get back to the story here

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y'all

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they give me the shot again

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well this uh

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lady

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it could have been anything it could

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have been something in disguise

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but I I figure if it was in Disguise I

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disguised herself like a female so it

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wouldn't scare you so bad right

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she went back over to the other side

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walked normal went normal this thing

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that picked me up and carried me outside

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back to the river

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and set me down and my arms were

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stretched out across the facing the

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river and I was just standing there

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still and that's when I finally heard

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Charlie he said son son you okay and he

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was laying down at my feet grabbing on

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my pants leg

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and I thought yeah you know for

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everything that just happened I'm okay

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and Charlie said

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well let's set out the damage is done

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let's sit down and talk about this

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and this is the only time I really ever

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talked to Charlie we didn't talk about

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what happened to each other right and uh

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we agreed not to say nothing about it

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because this was 1973. nobody believed

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you

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not then anyway and uh

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we figured people would think us crazy

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so we're great we wasn't going to say

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nothing about it and get up and go to

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work the next morning

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so we sit there probably 15-20 minutes

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and kind of calmed down and made her way

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back started making her way back to a

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car

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uh I opened my door and the windows was

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shattered in place on the side the

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passenger side that was facing the crowd

331
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looked like they just shattered all in

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place but they're still intact

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well when Charlie went to open the door

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the windshield on the driver's side fell

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out

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so uh it's crazy it is I I don't know

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what shattered them I don't know the

338
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noise of this thing taking off well to

339
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get back to where it took off let me get

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back to the pier

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way y'all we one was he was pulling up

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my pants leg and finally we both stood

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up and turned around and this thing

344
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lifted off the ground it was already

345
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hovering off the ground probably about

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two or three foot

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but it just picked up a little ways in

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this uh air and then it just shot off

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like a

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so that that's kind of what scared us

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when we got back to the car then notice

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the windows and the car wouldn't hardly

353
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crank it was a brand new car in 73 it

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was a brand new Rambler warning

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and uh

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of course I finally got the car cranked

357
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it was my car we started driving

358
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and was going toward this apartment

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complex and uh

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he he saw a store over on the side back

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in they didn't have cell phones and they

362
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didn't didn't have computers or nothing

363
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he asked me he said uh pull in here and

364
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let's use the phone

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well I thought he was going to call his

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00:16:16,970 --> 00:16:15,300
wife I didn't know he was going to call

367
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everybody in the country and tell them

368
00:16:23,030 --> 00:16:19,800
because we agreed not to tell nobody

369
00:16:25,670 --> 00:16:23,040
but Charlie Whitney called Keesler Air

370
00:16:28,249 --> 00:16:25,680
Force Base and apparently they told told

371
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him to call the local authorities

372
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he'd come back to the car he said you

373
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got any change for the phone I thought

374
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he lost his money

375
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so we scrambled around under the seats

376
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between the Saints and found some more

377
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chains I don't think it's about a nickel

378
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or dime to call

379
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and he called the local wall

380
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Sheriff Department

381
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because keister and cow told him to call

382
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the sheriff department they didn't

383
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handle nothing like that

384
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well they told us to sit there

385
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until they got there of course I know

386
00:17:03,949 --> 00:17:01,440
they figured we was on dope or drinking

387
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they didn't want us on the road

388
00:17:09,350 --> 00:17:06,720
well Charlie told me that uh

389
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they said sit here I said who sits that

390
00:17:13,069 --> 00:17:11,579
there he said the police department well

391
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I was afraid to move because that's

392
00:17:19,309 --> 00:17:16,799
going to arrest us we had to move anyhow

393
00:17:21,470 --> 00:17:19,319
so I sat there and waited on them it

394
00:17:22,789 --> 00:17:21,480
took them less than 10 minutes to get

395
00:17:25,549 --> 00:17:22,799
there

396
00:17:27,230 --> 00:17:25,559
and of course I was driving they stepped

397
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to my side of the car and wanted to see

398
00:17:32,029 --> 00:17:29,580
my driver's license I showed them them

399
00:17:34,130 --> 00:17:32,039
is to step out of the car

400
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I stepped out of the car he said now

401
00:17:39,409 --> 00:17:36,840
stand on your right or left leg I can't

402
00:17:42,529 --> 00:17:39,419
remember which one exactly

403
00:17:45,289 --> 00:17:42,539
and uh hold your head back touch your

404
00:17:46,610 --> 00:17:45,299
nose close your eyes and count from 200

405
00:17:48,950 --> 00:17:46,620
backwards

406
00:17:51,590 --> 00:17:48,960
I said hell man I can't do that sober

407
00:17:56,029 --> 00:17:51,600
myself thank you

408
00:17:58,610 --> 00:17:56,039
he said we'll do it so anyhow I've done

409
00:18:00,770 --> 00:17:58,620
a school sobriety test and I Walk the

410
00:18:02,690 --> 00:18:00,780
Line they said you're okay he said

411
00:18:05,390 --> 00:18:02,700
followers to complete the show tomorrow

412
00:18:08,029 --> 00:18:05,400
but I said well if I'm okay you know I'd

413
00:18:10,370 --> 00:18:08,039
rather go on home he should follow us to

414
00:18:14,210 --> 00:18:10,380
the Sheriff's Department Charlie was

415
00:18:16,730 --> 00:18:14,220
by then talking to the uh other Deputy

416
00:18:18,770 --> 00:18:16,740
that was waiting

417
00:18:19,850 --> 00:18:18,780
so we followed them to the Sheriff's

418
00:18:23,570 --> 00:18:19,860
Department

419
00:18:26,110 --> 00:18:23,580
we got out and uh they took Charlie one

420
00:18:28,490 --> 00:18:26,120
room they took me in another room then

421
00:18:30,409 --> 00:18:28,500
interrogated to separate then he put us

422
00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:30,419
in a room together

423
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and that's

424
00:18:38,690 --> 00:18:36,360
when uh Me and Charlie was talking about

425
00:18:41,870 --> 00:18:38,700
what really happened to us

426
00:18:44,330 --> 00:18:41,880
and they had it on recording well the

427
00:18:45,289 --> 00:18:44,340
sheriff came down to the Sheriff's

428
00:18:49,010 --> 00:18:45,299
Department

429
00:18:51,350 --> 00:18:49,020
and he coming to the room that he had us

430
00:18:53,330 --> 00:18:51,360
and got something out of the drawer and

431
00:18:56,390 --> 00:18:53,340
apparently it was what they call a

432
00:18:58,250 --> 00:18:56,400
sacred tape he was listening to it and

433
00:19:00,529 --> 00:18:58,260
he come in and he said oh

434
00:19:02,690 --> 00:19:00,539
you boys going home gets to sleep and

435
00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:02,700
I'll say y'all tomorrow

436
00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:05,280
well this was after I took the sobriety

437
00:19:10,549 --> 00:19:08,160
test and I took blew the balloon up or

438
00:19:11,930 --> 00:19:10,559
what they call a balloon which showed I

439
00:19:15,590 --> 00:19:11,940
wasn't drinking

440
00:19:18,289 --> 00:19:15,600
van and uh so we left and we drove on

441
00:19:19,370 --> 00:19:18,299
home well I got to the apartment where I

442
00:19:23,090 --> 00:19:19,380
was staying

443
00:19:24,950 --> 00:19:23,100
and I felt you ever just felt dirty

444
00:19:26,330 --> 00:19:24,960
there was blood all over you and all

445
00:19:29,570 --> 00:19:26,340
over my shirt

446
00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:29,580
so I walked into my bathroom I took off

447
00:19:34,130 --> 00:19:32,400
all my clothes I took off my shoes and

448
00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:34,140
there was a paper bag there and I put

449
00:19:38,090 --> 00:19:36,000
them in a paper bag

450
00:19:41,090 --> 00:19:38,100
and there was a gallon of bleach on the

451
00:19:44,690 --> 00:19:41,100
bathtub so I took that bleach and just

452
00:19:47,450 --> 00:19:44,700
poured it on me because I remember as a

453
00:19:50,690 --> 00:19:47,460
child baby my mother was babies in

454
00:19:53,930 --> 00:19:50,700
Bleach if we had gotten poison ivy

455
00:19:55,010 --> 00:19:53,940
or something and anyhow I thought it

456
00:19:58,730 --> 00:19:55,020
cleaned

457
00:20:01,669 --> 00:19:58,740
because this was 50 years maybe 50 years

458
00:20:06,350 --> 00:20:04,549
and that's the only thing I need to do

459
00:20:09,529 --> 00:20:06,360
so when I got out of the shower I took

460
00:20:11,330 --> 00:20:09,539
my clothes and I put them in a dumpster

461
00:20:14,090 --> 00:20:11,340
well uh

462
00:20:16,250 --> 00:20:14,100
I went on in and went to bed I don't

463
00:20:17,690 --> 00:20:16,260
know what Charlie did I guess he went in

464
00:20:20,750 --> 00:20:17,700
and went to bed

465
00:20:22,149 --> 00:20:20,760
and not that I got any sleep but I got

466
00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:22,159
up the next morning

467
00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:26,640
and Charlie was already up so we left

468
00:20:31,730 --> 00:20:29,760
him was going to work and we went on to

469
00:20:34,190 --> 00:20:31,740
work and uh

470
00:20:36,049 --> 00:20:34,200
when we got at work of course this is my

471
00:20:38,330 --> 00:20:36,059
second day there I noticed there was a

472
00:20:41,450 --> 00:20:38,340
lot of cars around

473
00:20:45,409 --> 00:20:41,460
and a lot of uh what they call these

474
00:20:46,130 --> 00:20:45,419
uplinks on TV Vans a lot of TV games is

475
00:20:48,350 --> 00:20:46,140
there

476
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:48,360
and I still had to put two and two

477
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together

478
00:20:55,370 --> 00:20:52,620
I didn't know what was going on what we

479
00:20:57,649 --> 00:20:55,380
brassed in they have a brass with a

480
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:57,659
number on it you hand it to them they

481
00:21:02,810 --> 00:21:00,720
write your time right when you get there

482
00:21:04,370 --> 00:21:02,820
and then when you come back out they

483
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:04,380
give you your brass and they're right

484
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:06,000
now when you leave

485
00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:08,880
so we brassed in and got to the field

486
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:11,520
with somebody over the loudspeaker

487
00:21:15,409 --> 00:21:13,200
called for me and Charlie to come to the

488
00:21:20,029 --> 00:21:15,419
office

489
00:21:22,430 --> 00:21:20,039
and uh

490
00:21:26,029 --> 00:21:22,440
the the owner of the shipyard was there

491
00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:26,039
which was the shipyard he said uh y'all

492
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:27,600
gonna have to do something he said I

493
00:21:32,029 --> 00:21:30,000
can't use the phones I don't know what

494
00:21:34,490 --> 00:21:32,039
happened but y'all gonna have to give a

495
00:21:37,130 --> 00:21:34,500
press release because I got a business

496
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:37,140
to conduct here and I can't use the

497
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:38,880
phones because the phone lines are so

498
00:21:43,490 --> 00:21:40,080
stopped up

499
00:21:48,529 --> 00:21:43,500
I thought well how in the world

500
00:21:51,890 --> 00:21:48,539
I knew I had a feeling what it was then

501
00:21:53,870 --> 00:21:51,900
he said well I got an attorney he said

502
00:21:56,270 --> 00:21:53,880
y'all tell him what to say and he'll

503
00:21:58,370 --> 00:21:56,280
give the press release

504
00:22:02,649 --> 00:21:58,380
and I

505
00:22:04,970 --> 00:22:02,659
my part of the press release was nothing

506
00:22:07,610 --> 00:22:04,980
excuse me

507
00:22:09,710 --> 00:22:07,620
I said I don't I I don't nothing

508
00:22:11,810 --> 00:22:09,720
happened to give a press release but

509
00:22:13,490 --> 00:22:11,820
Charlie went ahead he started spilling

510
00:22:16,490 --> 00:22:13,500
his guts in

511
00:22:18,770 --> 00:22:16,500
and uh kind of made me mad because we

512
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:18,780
agreed not to talk about this to anybody

513
00:22:24,350 --> 00:22:22,799
so Charlie started telling everybody

514
00:22:27,470 --> 00:22:24,360
well

515
00:22:29,630 --> 00:22:27,480
we went ahead and gave the press release

516
00:22:31,789 --> 00:22:29,640
then the sheriff showed up he said I

517
00:22:34,010 --> 00:22:31,799
want to take y'all

518
00:22:36,350 --> 00:22:34,020
to the emergency room and get y'all

519
00:22:38,450 --> 00:22:36,360
checked out because he's saying what

520
00:22:41,450 --> 00:22:38,460
kind of shape I was in that night that I

521
00:22:43,250 --> 00:22:41,460
was bleeding and all that so he took us

522
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:43,260
to the emergency room after the blood

523
00:22:48,289 --> 00:22:46,080
work we seen the doctor and all this

524
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:48,299
stuff was a doctor recommended that we

525
00:22:55,130 --> 00:22:53,039
go have a radio big chat for radiation

526
00:22:57,890 --> 00:22:55,140
because he had an idea because the

527
00:23:01,010 --> 00:22:57,900
sheriff told him then what had happened

528
00:23:03,529 --> 00:23:01,020
so we the sheriff put us in the car and

529
00:23:05,450 --> 00:23:03,539
he drove us to wall Kiesel Air Force

530
00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:05,460
Base which is down there

531
00:23:09,409 --> 00:23:07,919
we got to Keisha they called us put us

532
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:09,419
on through the gate

533
00:23:13,610 --> 00:23:12,240
notice about six guys in hazmat suits

534
00:23:16,250 --> 00:23:13,620
had them on

535
00:23:17,630 --> 00:23:16,260
and we went to get out of the car while

536
00:23:20,210 --> 00:23:17,640
everybody went to get out he said

537
00:23:21,649 --> 00:23:20,220
everybody stay in but these two men

538
00:23:24,110 --> 00:23:21,659
right here

539
00:23:26,690 --> 00:23:24,120
so we got out the checkers for Aviation

540
00:23:27,950 --> 00:23:26,700
well I had some on me Charlie didn't

541
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:27,960
have none

542
00:23:34,490 --> 00:23:32,400
but uh the reason I had I feel like I

543
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:34,500
had a little radiation because I had

544
00:23:37,490 --> 00:23:36,240
been working in the oil field around

545
00:23:40,370 --> 00:23:37,500
what's it called

546
00:23:43,730 --> 00:23:40,380
these gamma ray machines and all that uh

547
00:23:46,610 --> 00:23:43,740
check the seismograph of the whole and

548
00:23:48,590 --> 00:23:46,620
they have radiation in them so you know

549
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:48,600
I I had been working around a little

550
00:23:51,769 --> 00:23:50,159
radiation

551
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:51,779
well they checked this and they said

552
00:23:56,810 --> 00:23:53,279
they all clear

553
00:24:00,350 --> 00:23:56,820
they said well y'all need to go back

554
00:24:02,990 --> 00:24:00,360
to the meeting room we got a uh they

555
00:24:04,850 --> 00:24:03,000
want to meet with y'all I thought oh my

556
00:24:08,510 --> 00:24:04,860
goodness

557
00:24:10,909 --> 00:24:08,520
well I never have heard of UFOs back in

558
00:24:12,529 --> 00:24:10,919
or aliens or men in black or nothing

559
00:24:15,529 --> 00:24:12,539
else so

560
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:15,539
is it really I didn't want to go back

561
00:24:20,409 --> 00:24:18,240
there but I went with the crowd we had

562
00:24:23,330 --> 00:24:20,419
to sheriff with us which is Fred Diamond

563
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:23,340
they took us to the back and the

564
00:24:30,590 --> 00:24:27,840
military interviews along with um

565
00:24:33,230 --> 00:24:30,600
ever Police Department on the coast

566
00:24:35,090 --> 00:24:33,240
there's three counties down here or two

567
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:35,100
counties uh

568
00:24:39,529 --> 00:24:37,440
Three Counties Jackson Hancock and

569
00:24:42,169 --> 00:24:39,539
Harrison where they had the sheriff and

570
00:24:43,490 --> 00:24:42,179
the police department of Amber Town had

571
00:24:45,649 --> 00:24:43,500
an officer there

572
00:24:46,490 --> 00:24:45,659
and they wanted to know what was going

573
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:46,500
on

574
00:24:51,230 --> 00:24:48,480
well I didn't tell them nothing Charlie

575
00:24:52,190 --> 00:24:51,240
did you know well I told him just enough

576
00:24:54,830 --> 00:24:52,200
to

577
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:54,840
what questions they asked

578
00:24:59,210 --> 00:24:57,360
and then they was just as nice as they

579
00:25:02,090 --> 00:24:59,220
can be they said y'all go

580
00:25:05,090 --> 00:25:02,100
so the sheriff put us back in the car

581
00:25:07,370 --> 00:25:05,100
drove us back about 30 miles to where we

582
00:25:10,610 --> 00:25:07,380
were at the shipyard where he picked us

583
00:25:13,370 --> 00:25:10,620
up by that time it was way dark

584
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:13,380
and uh he said before y'all leave that

585
00:25:19,130 --> 00:25:15,600
somebody wants to talk to you

586
00:25:21,049 --> 00:25:19,140
said okay but my intentions was to go

587
00:25:23,390 --> 00:25:21,059
home get my clothes and going back long

588
00:25:27,169 --> 00:25:23,400
go back to work in the oilfield

589
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:27,179
so we went in and Dr heineck and Dr

590
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:28,799
harder was there

591
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:31,679
and I never heard of them but Dr heineck

592
00:25:36,350 --> 00:25:34,320
was over Project Blue Book which I had

593
00:25:38,750 --> 00:25:36,360
done away with Project Blue Book by then

594
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:38,760
but Dr heinek was still investigating on

595
00:25:42,769 --> 00:25:40,080
his own

596
00:25:47,450 --> 00:25:42,779
and he was just as nice

597
00:25:49,789 --> 00:25:47,460
and uh they took Charlie back Dr harder

598
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,799
examined him and I said stayed there and

599
00:25:55,070 --> 00:25:51,360
talked to Dr honey

600
00:25:58,610 --> 00:25:55,080
and he he was just kind of the person

601
00:26:01,490 --> 00:25:58,620
that she didn't mind talking to me and

602
00:26:04,909 --> 00:26:01,500
uh he's laid back and sing like

603
00:26:07,549 --> 00:26:04,919
grandfather image like I described him

604
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:07,559
well we visited with him he gave me his

605
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:08,400
card

606
00:26:13,010 --> 00:26:10,320
he said well I'll see y'all in the

607
00:26:15,070 --> 00:26:13,020
morning now how these two got there I

608
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:15,080
found out that it happened

609
00:26:21,649 --> 00:26:18,960
that fast that was the next morning

610
00:26:23,390 --> 00:26:21,659
after this had happened back in That 70s

611
00:26:25,610 --> 00:26:23,400
it takes you that long to make a plane

612
00:26:29,390 --> 00:26:25,620
reservation yeah

613
00:26:31,549 --> 00:26:29,400
so uh later on I seen his son I asked

614
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:31,559
him oh

615
00:26:35,330 --> 00:26:33,840
I got to know his son real good Paul

616
00:26:38,149 --> 00:26:35,340
honey

617
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:38,159
and I asked him how his daddy got there

618
00:26:43,850 --> 00:26:40,799
that fast he said apparently

619
00:26:45,289 --> 00:26:43,860
they had connections and got a plane

620
00:26:47,390 --> 00:26:45,299
down

621
00:26:50,029 --> 00:26:47,400
but uh

622
00:26:53,630 --> 00:26:50,039
we went back the next morning I took my

623
00:26:57,049 --> 00:26:53,640
bags with me and as I told dog

624
00:27:00,649 --> 00:26:57,059
said before I got hired and fired and a

625
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:00,659
physical all in the same day so I went

626
00:27:06,049 --> 00:27:02,880
back to Laurel and that's the end of it

627
00:27:08,510 --> 00:27:06,059
I heard until 2018

628
00:27:10,909 --> 00:27:08,520
and I didn't talk about this I didn't

629
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:10,919
talk about it to my family I mean

630
00:27:15,649 --> 00:27:13,200
engaged to get married at the moment

631
00:27:17,690 --> 00:27:15,659
this happened in October we got married

632
00:27:21,649 --> 00:27:17,700
November the 9th

633
00:27:25,549 --> 00:27:21,659
and uh I didn't talk about it to her

634
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:25,559
well she was young and she was 16 I was

635
00:27:31,070 --> 00:27:29,520
18. or 19 just turned 19.

636
00:27:33,710 --> 00:27:31,080
and uh

637
00:27:36,169 --> 00:27:33,720
I decided not to tell nobody about it I

638
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:36,179
just wanted to get on with my life

639
00:27:47,570 --> 00:27:45,110
I was uh we had a neighbor died I've

640
00:27:50,029 --> 00:27:47,580
been using a phony name up until then I

641
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:50,039
still I'll use my real name to get my

642
00:27:55,610 --> 00:27:52,320
paychecks and I will but

643
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:55,620
I don't have a job I didn't use my name

644
00:27:59,210 --> 00:27:57,360
my real name

645
00:28:02,029 --> 00:27:59,220
oh

646
00:28:04,370 --> 00:28:02,039
we had a neighbor that passed away so

647
00:28:06,830 --> 00:28:04,380
went to the funeral home and signed I

648
00:28:08,510 --> 00:28:06,840
made a mistake I signed a lot more with

649
00:28:10,610 --> 00:28:08,520
my real name

650
00:28:13,310 --> 00:28:10,620
well there was people coming out of the

651
00:28:16,130 --> 00:28:13,320
woodwork well are you the Calvin Parker

652
00:28:18,529 --> 00:28:16,140
that got deducted in 73. now how in the

653
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:18,539
world somebody remembered that 49 years

654
00:28:25,250 --> 00:28:21,600
later 48 years later I don't know

655
00:28:27,950 --> 00:28:25,260
but they did well we didn't want to take

656
00:28:29,630 --> 00:28:27,960
away from his wife and daughter you know

657
00:28:32,769 --> 00:28:29,640
they was grieving they didn't need this

658
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:32,779
boil around at the funeral home

659
00:28:38,810 --> 00:28:36,240
uh I said yeah I'm the one that I don't

660
00:28:40,970 --> 00:28:38,820
want to do this right now so I told my

661
00:28:42,289 --> 00:28:40,980
wife I said let's get in the car and go

662
00:28:46,850 --> 00:28:42,299
home

663
00:28:48,889 --> 00:28:46,860
write a book I said I don't have the

664
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:48,899
education the right one I don't want to

665
00:28:53,630 --> 00:28:51,840
write a book she said well you never

666
00:28:55,010 --> 00:28:53,640
talked about this you never told the

667
00:28:57,950 --> 00:28:55,020
store and apparently people was

668
00:28:59,330 --> 00:28:57,960
interested why aren't you round a book

669
00:29:02,570 --> 00:28:59,340
so now

670
00:29:06,889 --> 00:29:02,580
you know I'm just not going to do it

671
00:29:08,990 --> 00:29:06,899
and uh the next morning Philip mantle

672
00:29:12,289 --> 00:29:09,000
called out of the UK

673
00:29:14,930 --> 00:29:12,299
and he uh was a publisher I didn't know

674
00:29:16,909 --> 00:29:14,940
who he was back in but Charlie had

675
00:29:21,289 --> 00:29:16,919
written a book years ago and he wanted

676
00:29:23,810 --> 00:29:21,299
to talk to me and Martin Willis which is

677
00:29:25,730 --> 00:29:23,820
a friend of mine and asked me if he

678
00:29:28,010 --> 00:29:25,740
could give him a contact number

679
00:29:29,450 --> 00:29:28,020
so yeah you know you can give him my

680
00:29:32,570 --> 00:29:29,460
contact number

681
00:29:35,690 --> 00:29:32,580
I'll talk to him but that's about it

682
00:29:38,570 --> 00:29:35,700
so Philip asked me why haven't you ever

683
00:29:40,909 --> 00:29:38,580
wrote a book just in conversation

684
00:29:43,010 --> 00:29:40,919
oh why don't you talk about this

685
00:29:43,970 --> 00:29:43,020
assistant because the media changes your

686
00:29:46,490 --> 00:29:43,980
story

687
00:29:48,769 --> 00:29:46,500
you start out you tell them you tell it

688
00:29:51,169 --> 00:29:48,779
like it is and they change it to be

689
00:29:52,190 --> 00:29:51,179
something else and I don't get into this

690
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:52,200
bull

691
00:29:55,970 --> 00:29:54,240
he said well why don't you write a book

692
00:29:59,870 --> 00:29:55,980
and put in your own right and that's

693
00:30:02,810 --> 00:29:59,880
your legacy you uh Rob want to tell it

694
00:30:05,389 --> 00:30:02,820
like it is they can't change you

695
00:30:06,289 --> 00:30:05,399
I got to thinking well that made plenty

696
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,299
of sense

697
00:30:10,130 --> 00:30:08,399
I said well let me think about it for a

698
00:30:12,830 --> 00:30:10,140
week well I've done decided there wasn't

699
00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:12,840
no answer his call no more because on

700
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:15,240
the on my phone where he called where it

701
00:30:20,690 --> 00:30:18,960
tells the number I put no answer that

702
00:30:22,970 --> 00:30:20,700
right there

703
00:30:26,029 --> 00:30:22,980
so I was standing by the waiting as good

704
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:26,039
as he his word he he called back but I

705
00:30:30,409 --> 00:30:27,360
didn't look at the number that was

706
00:30:33,169 --> 00:30:30,419
called him and it happened to be feeling

707
00:30:34,669 --> 00:30:33,179
and uh have you thought about writing a

708
00:30:36,529 --> 00:30:34,679
book I said yeah I don't want to mess

709
00:30:40,090 --> 00:30:36,539
with it he said well that's your legacy

710
00:30:43,850 --> 00:30:40,100
you need to write one Calvin he said on

711
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:43,860
anyhow we fooled around we agreed I said

712
00:30:48,889 --> 00:30:46,320
the only way that I'll ride a bull

713
00:30:51,470 --> 00:30:48,899
I don't have an education I can't spell

714
00:30:53,930 --> 00:30:51,480
my own name sometimes

715
00:30:56,810 --> 00:30:53,940
it's that there's nothing

716
00:30:59,210 --> 00:30:56,820
is the book's not dead if it's a

717
00:31:00,830 --> 00:30:59,220
misspelled word it's left alone if it's

718
00:31:03,529 --> 00:31:00,840
misquoted

719
00:31:06,289 --> 00:31:03,539
yeah tell it like it is in the book to

720
00:31:08,930 --> 00:31:06,299
lay my words wrong he said I'll do it

721
00:31:11,810 --> 00:31:08,940
and he stood by his word he's a man of

722
00:31:13,970 --> 00:31:11,820
his word I have to say that well okay

723
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:13,980
we've had fundamental on the show a

724
00:31:17,930 --> 00:31:15,360
couple of uh I guess about a month and a

725
00:31:19,789 --> 00:31:17,940
half ago and uh yeah he was the author

726
00:31:21,649 --> 00:31:19,799
of both of your books which you know the

727
00:31:24,169 --> 00:31:21,659
first book was essentially telling of

728
00:31:26,750 --> 00:31:24,179
your story but the second book and I

729
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:26,760
love the tenacity of Philip because he

730
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:28,559
went out and find found independent

731
00:31:31,549 --> 00:31:30,480
witnesses that could corroborate your

732
00:31:34,009 --> 00:31:31,559
story

733
00:31:35,690 --> 00:31:34,019
um you know you were hypnotized by none

734
00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:35,700
other than Kathleen Martin who was on

735
00:31:39,950 --> 00:31:37,740
last week and it was also been on

736
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:39,960
previously as well too so

737
00:31:44,330 --> 00:31:42,000
um it took the original story and added

738
00:31:46,430 --> 00:31:44,340
evidence it added you know I think Bud

739
00:31:49,490 --> 00:31:46,440
Hopkins hypnotized you as well and those

740
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:49,500
transcripts are in the 1993 but hop you

741
00:31:54,529 --> 00:31:52,559
see it yeah and at the time as well I

742
00:31:56,690 --> 00:31:54,539
heard that uh you passed two lie

743
00:31:59,470 --> 00:31:56,700
detector tests and you even went through

744
00:32:02,269 --> 00:31:59,480
like a voice stress test

745
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:02,279
yeah show anomalies in your voice and

746
00:32:06,049 --> 00:32:04,080
you know might indicate that somebody's

747
00:32:08,210 --> 00:32:06,059
being more truthful or not so truthful

748
00:32:10,190 --> 00:32:08,220
and you've been Flawless the whole way

749
00:32:11,870 --> 00:32:10,200
through and and definitely not looking

750
00:32:14,810 --> 00:32:11,880
for that credit you've not wanted to

751
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:14,820
even talk about it for decades yeah well

752
00:32:19,130 --> 00:32:17,039
I didn't tell my wife up until the book

753
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:19,140
came out when I did the book

754
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:21,840
I told Philip called

755
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,440
I said see me I'm going to buy 10 copies

756
00:32:29,149 --> 00:32:27,120
I don't want you to give them to me I

757
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:29,159
want to buy them they said no I won't

758
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:31,440
send you 10 copies she said why do you

759
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:33,600
need 10 copies I said I'm gonna give it

760
00:32:38,570 --> 00:32:36,000
one to my wife and the rest of my other

761
00:32:40,850 --> 00:32:38,580
family and let them read what happened

762
00:32:42,049 --> 00:32:40,860
and then I have a few friends I want to

763
00:32:45,289 --> 00:32:42,059
give one to

764
00:32:48,529 --> 00:32:45,299
and that's how they found out about it

765
00:32:50,750 --> 00:32:48,539
of course since the book came out

766
00:32:53,810 --> 00:32:50,760
uh

767
00:32:56,690 --> 00:32:53,820
it it come out a month early than what

768
00:32:58,669 --> 00:32:56,700
Philip Philip accident relation they hit

769
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:58,679
the best sellers Market

770
00:33:02,930 --> 00:33:00,960
and people wanted to know about it and I

771
00:33:05,630 --> 00:33:02,940
would agree to talk about it at the

772
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:05,640
conferences and things that's how I met

773
00:33:11,149 --> 00:33:08,159
Paul heineck you know

774
00:33:13,130 --> 00:33:11,159
but uh it's one of the better things

775
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:13,140
that I did was getting it out in the

776
00:33:16,669 --> 00:33:14,720
open yeah

777
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:16,679
our marriage

778
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:18,720
from what I know um Philip mantle is

779
00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:20,399
working on a new book as well with some

780
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:22,320
additional information that's coming up

781
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:24,720
we won't ask you any secrets but uh we

782
00:33:27,409 --> 00:33:25,919
do want to put it out there that the

783
00:33:29,330 --> 00:33:27,419
story is not over and there's still

784
00:33:32,690 --> 00:33:29,340
things coming to the surface about it

785
00:33:34,250 --> 00:33:32,700
well I think uh Philip and Irene Scott's

786
00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:34,260
working on the bull

787
00:33:39,250 --> 00:33:38,340
and raising our ranking Bob she uh she's

788
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:39,260
been

789
00:33:44,810 --> 00:33:42,000
interviewing the witnesses and all

790
00:33:46,009 --> 00:33:44,820
because she has an education like you

791
00:33:48,529 --> 00:33:46,019
wouldn't believe

792
00:33:52,009 --> 00:33:48,539
so she's been doing the interviews of

793
00:33:55,370 --> 00:33:52,019
the uh Witnesses and all and uh the

794
00:33:56,990 --> 00:33:55,380
background checks and I came I can't

795
00:33:58,669 --> 00:33:57,000
well I didn't want to be involved

796
00:34:01,310 --> 00:33:58,679
because

797
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:01,320
you know it's containing to me but it's

798
00:34:04,850 --> 00:34:03,360
nothing to do with me

799
00:34:07,850 --> 00:34:04,860
so

800
00:34:09,710 --> 00:34:07,860
I've got two books out and I I could

801
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:09,720
care less about being involved in that

802
00:34:13,609 --> 00:34:10,560
one

803
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:13,619
but I'm anxious to read it

804
00:34:18,290 --> 00:34:16,079
yeah I'll be some good uh some good

805
00:34:21,050 --> 00:34:18,300
evidence at least it corroborates with

806
00:34:22,250 --> 00:34:21,060
your story it adds credibility as well I

807
00:34:24,829 --> 00:34:22,260
mean I don't know if you've had any

808
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:24,839
critics or anybody that uh and you

809
00:34:27,950 --> 00:34:26,399
mentioned the media tends to spend

810
00:34:29,930 --> 00:34:27,960
things the way that they want to and I

811
00:34:33,290 --> 00:34:29,940
absolutely agree with you they they do

812
00:34:34,970 --> 00:34:33,300
that very well but uh yeah no

813
00:34:38,450 --> 00:34:34,980
um the other question that I had for you

814
00:34:39,889 --> 00:34:38,460
though was I saw in an interview once

815
00:34:41,089 --> 00:34:39,899
that you mentioned that this wasn't your

816
00:34:42,770 --> 00:34:41,099
only time

817
00:34:44,210 --> 00:34:42,780
that you've been

818
00:34:45,950 --> 00:34:44,220
um basically taken that there was

819
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:45,960
another moment where you had missing

820
00:34:49,790 --> 00:34:47,040
time

821
00:34:52,190 --> 00:34:49,800
while fishing and you woke up and you

822
00:34:54,050 --> 00:34:52,200
were covered in a substance is that is

823
00:34:56,510 --> 00:34:54,060
that part of the story as well

824
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:56,520
that is part of the story this happened

825
00:35:02,870 --> 00:34:59,280
this is why bud Hopkins hypnotized me in

826
00:35:03,950 --> 00:35:02,880
93. I knew that he did a book on this in

827
00:35:05,569 --> 00:35:03,960
time

828
00:35:10,730 --> 00:35:05,579
and uh

829
00:35:12,890 --> 00:35:10,740
it's hectory to wake up and have uh I

830
00:35:15,770 --> 00:35:12,900
went fishing I said I wasn't going to

831
00:35:18,290 --> 00:35:15,780
fish no more I went out and I told my

832
00:35:20,569 --> 00:35:18,300
wife I said I'll be back before dark

833
00:35:23,450 --> 00:35:20,579
well it was three o'clock in the morning

834
00:35:25,490 --> 00:35:23,460
this from 11 o'clock to three o'clock

835
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:25,500
right and

836
00:35:29,089 --> 00:35:26,400
um

837
00:35:32,329 --> 00:35:29,099
I couldn't figure out what happened

838
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:32,339
and I even had fish and the cooler don't

839
00:35:36,410 --> 00:35:34,079
remember catching them

840
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:36,420
oh wow and I

841
00:35:43,370 --> 00:35:39,599
back then I didn't believe it hypnosis

842
00:35:45,290 --> 00:35:43,380
I didn't blame uh I still didn't I still

843
00:35:47,569 --> 00:35:45,300
don't know what happened to it or what

844
00:35:48,770 --> 00:35:47,579
happened to me or where they was from or

845
00:35:52,010 --> 00:35:48,780
anything

846
00:35:54,290 --> 00:35:52,020
so I was still hunting answers and Bud

847
00:35:54,890 --> 00:35:54,300
Hopkins had a book

848
00:35:57,170 --> 00:35:54,900
um

849
00:35:58,730 --> 00:35:57,180
called Mission time

850
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:58,740
and

851
00:36:02,569 --> 00:36:01,200
that made sense to me because I was

852
00:36:06,290 --> 00:36:02,579
missing some time

853
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:06,300
and he did help me uh of course Bud's

854
00:36:09,890 --> 00:36:08,400
dead and gone now

855
00:36:12,770 --> 00:36:09,900
but um

856
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:12,780
apparently he hypnotized me put a

857
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:15,599
Post-It not a suggestion in my head that

858
00:36:20,270 --> 00:36:18,000
I wouldn't remember this until it was

859
00:36:23,630 --> 00:36:20,280
time to remember it or until I can

860
00:36:26,270 --> 00:36:23,640
handle it right but uh basically what it

861
00:36:29,690 --> 00:36:26,280
was was another reduction

862
00:36:34,370 --> 00:36:29,700
and uh they gonna get into great detail

863
00:36:35,650 --> 00:36:34,380
in this in Phillip and Philip's new book

864
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:35,660
nice

865
00:36:42,349 --> 00:36:40,079
no but the uh that's the one that we uh

866
00:36:44,930 --> 00:36:42,359
we're talking about at work excitingly

867
00:36:47,150 --> 00:36:44,940
was just talking about your hypnosis

868
00:36:50,089 --> 00:36:47,160
regressions with Kathleen Martin and

869
00:36:53,210 --> 00:36:50,099
then of course bud Hopkins I know that

870
00:36:55,490 --> 00:36:53,220
you mentioned in that article or that

871
00:36:57,890 --> 00:36:55,500
new sequence that I saw it in that

872
00:37:00,589 --> 00:36:57,900
basically you had had enough at that

873
00:37:03,050 --> 00:37:00,599
point that uh when you woke up you just

874
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:03,060
you had enough and you grab hold of one

875
00:37:09,410 --> 00:37:05,599
of these entities and gave her hell yeah

876
00:37:11,690 --> 00:37:09,420
I made her head against the wall yeah me

877
00:37:14,329 --> 00:37:11,700
and her in the fish I back in I was in

878
00:37:17,450 --> 00:37:14,339
shape I'm sick and wait till he's down

879
00:37:19,609 --> 00:37:17,460
but back then I was in shape and I was

880
00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:19,619
going to take her with me I was going I

881
00:37:23,690 --> 00:37:21,839
didn't care where I was yeah I wrapped

882
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:23,700
my hands around her neck after I done

883
00:37:29,810 --> 00:37:27,599
beat her against the ball same identical

884
00:37:33,290 --> 00:37:29,820
female identity

885
00:37:35,089 --> 00:37:33,300
except she had dates like I am and I was

886
00:37:38,270 --> 00:37:35,099
going to take her with me if I was

887
00:37:41,870 --> 00:37:38,280
pulled up or wherever I was

888
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:41,880
and because I wanted to prove I wanted I

889
00:37:46,910 --> 00:37:43,920
wanted people to say what was going on

890
00:37:48,770 --> 00:37:46,920
yeah do you figure that you just your

891
00:37:50,690 --> 00:37:48,780
fear was so strong that you kind of

892
00:37:52,190 --> 00:37:50,700
fought off the paralysis or maybe they

893
00:37:54,109 --> 00:37:52,200
didn't give you a strong enough dose the

894
00:37:55,730 --> 00:37:54,119
second time or what was it that allowed

895
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:55,740
you to actually fight back versus

896
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:57,599
because the first time ever could just

897
00:38:03,710 --> 00:37:59,280
move your head you were paralyzed

898
00:38:05,089 --> 00:38:03,720
otherwise pain and dremelon yeah yeah uh

899
00:38:09,230 --> 00:38:05,099
people

900
00:38:12,650 --> 00:38:09,240
that's going to save the world enough

901
00:38:17,450 --> 00:38:12,660
but I think in reality we all just

902
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,460
didn't experiment right uh I believe you

903
00:38:21,770 --> 00:38:19,680
know they experiment used to experiment

904
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:21,780
with animals and I think people's the

905
00:38:26,270 --> 00:38:23,520
same way they're always being

906
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:26,280
experimented with and I think it's more

907
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:28,320
than just me it was a lot more people

908
00:38:34,010 --> 00:38:32,160
yeah that I'm sure that's been abducted

909
00:38:35,450 --> 00:38:34,020
yeah you said that you had people just

910
00:38:37,130 --> 00:38:35,460
randomly showing up in your driveway

911
00:38:38,450 --> 00:38:37,140
you'd come home and there'd be strangers

912
00:38:40,130 --> 00:38:38,460
there and they want to tell you their

913
00:38:41,150 --> 00:38:40,140
story and a lot of them were really

914
00:38:47,210 --> 00:38:41,160
credible

915
00:38:48,770 --> 00:38:47,220
still is going on till today

916
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:48,780
uh

917
00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:51,680
just last week you know we had somebody

918
00:38:56,569 --> 00:38:54,300
they they just pull up my driveway and

919
00:38:58,430 --> 00:38:56,579
spend the night till I get up you look

920
00:39:00,410 --> 00:38:58,440
after winning some of them some of them

921
00:39:03,170 --> 00:39:00,420
even have breakfast with them

922
00:39:05,089 --> 00:39:03,180
so uh they just want to talk they just

923
00:39:08,210 --> 00:39:05,099
need somebody to talk to and they know

924
00:39:11,390 --> 00:39:08,220
probably think that I can relate

925
00:39:13,609 --> 00:39:11,400
or know something that they don't and I

926
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:13,619
I really don't know I don't know to this

927
00:39:17,450 --> 00:39:14,880
day

928
00:39:20,329 --> 00:39:17,460
what oh

929
00:39:21,290 --> 00:39:20,339
what went on but I know something did

930
00:39:23,329 --> 00:39:21,300
happen

931
00:39:28,370 --> 00:39:23,339
now

932
00:39:31,730 --> 00:39:28,380
thought well we

933
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:31,740
working this happened over by angle

934
00:39:35,810 --> 00:39:33,839
Shipyard the experiment with something

935
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:35,820
or something like that

936
00:39:41,329 --> 00:39:37,920
so that's why I thought a couple of

937
00:39:44,450 --> 00:39:41,339
rednecks got out had a beard probably

938
00:39:46,250 --> 00:39:44,460
done all this but I I don't believe that

939
00:39:51,230 --> 00:39:46,260
now

940
00:39:54,589 --> 00:39:51,240
until

941
00:39:58,010 --> 00:39:54,599
that happened and I still know it was a

942
00:40:01,370 --> 00:39:58,020
UFOs but we got credible Witnesses like

943
00:40:04,130 --> 00:40:01,380
the Coast Guard the same time and we

944
00:40:07,309 --> 00:40:04,140
don't have one or two witnesses we got

945
00:40:10,990 --> 00:40:07,319
six or seven Witnesses now right let's

946
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:11,000
think something and it's um

947
00:40:15,230 --> 00:40:14,160
you can go back in the paper some have

948
00:40:17,450 --> 00:40:15,240
to go look

949
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:17,460
and before they even had electricity

950
00:40:23,809 --> 00:40:20,240
people were seeing things

951
00:40:25,010 --> 00:40:23,819
500 people in a small little town saying

952
00:40:27,530 --> 00:40:25,020
something that happened

953
00:40:31,790 --> 00:40:27,540
and that that's before even they had

954
00:40:33,410 --> 00:40:31,800
electricity and that that interests me

955
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:33,420
um

956
00:40:37,010 --> 00:40:35,760
yeah there's something going on I don't

957
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:37,020
know what but the government's starting

958
00:40:41,390 --> 00:40:38,880
to realize it now

959
00:40:44,750 --> 00:40:41,400
they start to come out pretty uh

960
00:40:46,730 --> 00:40:44,760
well it's you know it's and it's I

961
00:40:48,170 --> 00:40:46,740
always thought the threat narrative was

962
00:40:49,250 --> 00:40:48,180
a little bit over the top because I

963
00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:49,260
thought well these things have never

964
00:40:53,870 --> 00:40:51,960
shown really any hostility but uh

965
00:40:55,490 --> 00:40:53,880
somebody that I know once mentioned to

966
00:40:57,170 --> 00:40:55,500
me goes okay well if

967
00:40:58,250 --> 00:40:57,180
somebody comes and takes you in the

968
00:41:00,170 --> 00:40:58,260
middle of the night while you're

969
00:41:02,809 --> 00:41:00,180
sleeping is that illegal and I was like

970
00:41:04,730 --> 00:41:02,819
well yeah all right if somebody takes in

971
00:41:07,550 --> 00:41:04,740
the middle of the night and does medical

972
00:41:10,430 --> 00:41:07,560
procedures on you without your you know

973
00:41:12,589 --> 00:41:10,440
wanting to uh is that illegal I was like

974
00:41:15,170 --> 00:41:12,599
yeah he says then how is the alien

975
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,180
abductions not an illegal or a state

976
00:41:19,309 --> 00:41:17,760
matter at this point I thought that's a

977
00:41:21,050 --> 00:41:19,319
good point I mean I never thought about

978
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:21,060
it like that before from a human point

979
00:41:25,609 --> 00:41:23,520
of view but uh yeah it's it is

980
00:41:27,470 --> 00:41:25,619
concerning that this is An Occurrence

981
00:41:30,589 --> 00:41:27,480
that is happening to people

982
00:41:33,890 --> 00:41:30,599
um and kudos to you because to I've gone

983
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:33,900
back from 1973 to now and to be able to

984
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:36,240
talk about it you know like you

985
00:41:38,930 --> 00:41:37,440
mentioned there was a time when you

986
00:41:40,490 --> 00:41:38,940
could not talk about it like people

987
00:41:42,770 --> 00:41:40,500
thought that you would CR you were crazy

988
00:41:44,329 --> 00:41:42,780
you mentioned you were just getting

989
00:41:46,370 --> 00:41:44,339
married you know you're trying to get

990
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:46,380
your life together by a house get you

991
00:41:51,410 --> 00:41:48,960
know get all your stuff in order and uh

992
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:51,420
here you have this incredible uh

993
00:41:55,250 --> 00:41:53,520
experience really

994
00:41:56,569 --> 00:41:55,260
I wouldn't say one of a kind because

995
00:41:58,490 --> 00:41:56,579
there's obviously some other people

996
00:42:00,650 --> 00:41:58,500
experiencing it but very unique

997
00:42:03,230 --> 00:42:00,660
experience that not

998
00:42:05,569 --> 00:42:03,240
the general public will never experience

999
00:42:07,309 --> 00:42:05,579
right uh happen to you and you're trying

1000
00:42:10,010 --> 00:42:07,319
to get your life together so kudos to

1001
00:42:12,050 --> 00:42:10,020
you to be able to handle that yeah my

1002
00:42:14,569 --> 00:42:12,060
call in life you know the way I had my

1003
00:42:17,329 --> 00:42:14,579
life plan was to get married buy a house

1004
00:42:19,010 --> 00:42:17,339
have children have grandchildren

1005
00:42:21,650 --> 00:42:19,020
retiring fish

1006
00:42:24,050 --> 00:42:21,660
and this really messed up my whole deal

1007
00:42:25,790 --> 00:42:24,060
yeah I mean I went ahead with the

1008
00:42:29,630 --> 00:42:25,800
getting married partner having children

1009
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:29,640
apart but it's been hell

1010
00:42:35,210 --> 00:42:31,520
oh

1011
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:35,220
Obama and there's times it was rough on

1012
00:42:40,609 --> 00:42:38,160
my marriage I mean you keep a secret

1013
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,619
from your wife for 48 years and not talk

1014
00:42:44,569 --> 00:42:42,960
about nothing in front of her yeah you

1015
00:42:47,569 --> 00:42:44,579
know she wants to know

1016
00:42:49,970 --> 00:42:47,579
and uh I regret it but I should have

1017
00:42:51,410 --> 00:42:49,980
talked to her about then but you know I

1018
00:42:55,010 --> 00:42:51,420
didn't want her to think she's married

1019
00:42:56,510 --> 00:42:55,020
to a low team great great and you guys

1020
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:56,520
were young too I mean this happened to

1021
00:43:01,250 --> 00:42:58,319
you when you were 19 it's not like you

1022
00:43:02,510 --> 00:43:01,260
were at the you know the height of you

1023
00:43:03,710 --> 00:43:02,520
know or in the middle of your marriage

1024
00:43:06,530 --> 00:43:03,720
or anything like that you're just

1025
00:43:10,370 --> 00:43:06,540
literally getting started with life yeah

1026
00:43:11,930 --> 00:43:10,380
and uh like I say she was 16 and her

1027
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:11,940
daddy was strict

1028
00:43:17,450 --> 00:43:15,599
and I figured if oh word got out real

1029
00:43:19,550 --> 00:43:17,460
bad I I didn't know where it was going

1030
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:19,560
to get out as bad as what it did because

1031
00:43:26,210 --> 00:43:23,040
me and Charlie agree not to tell nobody

1032
00:43:28,849 --> 00:43:26,220
but uh she was 16. I didn't figure her

1033
00:43:30,109 --> 00:43:28,859
daddy would let us get married

1034
00:43:32,510 --> 00:43:30,119
huh

1035
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:32,520
he didn't stop her

1036
00:43:37,609 --> 00:43:35,760
with uh Charlie being so actively

1037
00:43:40,250 --> 00:43:37,619
um outspoken about this incident that

1038
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:40,260
took place was that like a strain like

1039
00:43:43,069 --> 00:43:41,760
did that cause a strain between you and

1040
00:43:46,970 --> 00:43:43,079
Charlie because you're trying to keep it

1041
00:43:50,089 --> 00:43:46,980
quiet it did yeah

1042
00:43:55,370 --> 00:43:52,130
I never had much to do with Charlie

1043
00:43:56,930 --> 00:43:55,380
after this happened I I mean I would see

1044
00:43:59,089 --> 00:43:56,940
him and

1045
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:59,099
get it but we never really talked about

1046
00:44:03,770 --> 00:44:01,680
this and I thought he was the one that

1047
00:44:07,550 --> 00:44:03,780
wrote the story so it made me mad but he

1048
00:44:09,890 --> 00:44:07,560
really wasn't right and I wondered many

1049
00:44:12,050 --> 00:44:09,900
a night how the story got out then I

1050
00:44:14,270 --> 00:44:12,060
thought about it one day and it was

1051
00:44:17,870 --> 00:44:14,280
Bible states that uh

1052
00:44:19,730 --> 00:44:17,880
he was found back then paper ad scanners

1053
00:44:22,130 --> 00:44:19,740
they would scan the police department

1054
00:44:24,349 --> 00:44:22,140
and fire department their ambulances and

1055
00:44:27,290 --> 00:44:24,359
things that was only entertainment they

1056
00:44:28,490 --> 00:44:27,300
have they didn't have internets and all

1057
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:28,500
that

1058
00:44:33,230 --> 00:44:31,200
so uh I figured it

1059
00:44:36,290 --> 00:44:33,240
when they called the sheriff's

1060
00:44:37,970 --> 00:44:36,300
department to get out on a scanner and

1061
00:44:40,609 --> 00:44:37,980
that's how they got it because the

1062
00:44:42,290 --> 00:44:40,619
newspaper office was

1063
00:44:43,309 --> 00:44:42,300
four or five

1064
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:43,319
um

1065
00:44:48,890 --> 00:44:46,319
well it might be a block from uh

1066
00:44:51,050 --> 00:44:48,900
the sheriff department they scan what

1067
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:51,060
happened there all the time

1068
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:53,040
wow so that's how they got the

1069
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:55,440
information that uh what took place that

1070
00:45:01,069 --> 00:44:59,040
nice yeah I'm sure they did and uh

1071
00:45:02,990 --> 00:45:01,079
I always blamed you know Charlie and

1072
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:03,000
that cost hard feelings with me and

1073
00:45:08,210 --> 00:45:05,760
Charlie yeah and he sort of went on tour

1074
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:08,220
afterwards right like he was making uh

1075
00:45:12,530 --> 00:45:10,079
speeches and writing books and it

1076
00:45:14,809 --> 00:45:12,540
motivated him to sort of change his life

1077
00:45:17,870 --> 00:45:14,819
and become vocal about it

1078
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:17,880
yeah he he become real vocal about it I

1079
00:45:25,609 --> 00:45:21,839
think he made the uh conferences and

1080
00:45:28,730 --> 00:45:25,619
I'll regular you see him on East female

1081
00:45:31,250 --> 00:45:28,740
TV down here pretty regular yeah he got

1082
00:45:34,190 --> 00:45:31,260
in France with a guy that owned a TV

1083
00:45:36,490 --> 00:45:34,200
station and a local station down here

1084
00:45:40,010 --> 00:45:36,500
and he would be on it once a week

1085
00:45:42,290 --> 00:45:40,020
obviously yeah and I I

1086
00:45:44,450 --> 00:45:42,300
to be honest I hated

1087
00:45:46,370 --> 00:45:44,460
him for it

1088
00:45:48,829 --> 00:45:46,380
yeah you're trying to keep it quiet and

1089
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:48,839
he's making as much noise as he can

1090
00:45:54,530 --> 00:45:51,839
for decades you don't know the jobs that

1091
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:54,540
I lost because of this and some of it's

1092
00:46:00,109 --> 00:45:57,839
not because they fired me or nothing

1093
00:46:01,910 --> 00:46:00,119
it's because I didn't want to talk about

1094
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:01,920
it and they'd find out about it and

1095
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:04,800
they'd of course curiosity right yeah

1096
00:46:09,230 --> 00:46:07,680
anybody is curious and not just quit and

1097
00:46:11,210 --> 00:46:09,240
leave yeah

1098
00:46:13,010 --> 00:46:11,220
it's almost more interesting to ask

1099
00:46:15,050 --> 00:46:13,020
somebody that doesn't want to talk about

1100
00:46:16,609 --> 00:46:15,060
it it's the people that are boasting

1101
00:46:18,050 --> 00:46:16,619
that kind of get a bit old but when

1102
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:18,060
somebody's no no I don't want to talk

1103
00:46:21,710 --> 00:46:20,160
about it you get you know you get

1104
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:21,720
excited like what do you mean like what

1105
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:23,760
happened so I could totally see that

1106
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:25,920
just being human nature you're a very

1107
00:46:30,349 --> 00:46:28,319
incredible guy they hear the story and

1108
00:46:32,990 --> 00:46:30,359
you're super approachable you know

1109
00:46:34,849 --> 00:46:33,000
well-mannered nice man they're gonna ask

1110
00:46:37,690 --> 00:46:34,859
for sure hell we're asking that's why

1111
00:46:40,970 --> 00:46:37,700
you're on the show yeah we want to know

1112
00:46:43,010 --> 00:46:40,980
well people want to know now and I don't

1113
00:46:45,410 --> 00:46:43,020
mind talking about it I tell you

1114
00:46:49,370 --> 00:46:45,420
somebody's helped me was Dr heinek's son

1115
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:49,380
Paul oh man my wife went to Arizona to a

1116
00:46:53,089 --> 00:46:51,359
conference and got to meet him I had

1117
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,099
talked to him on the phone he used to

1118
00:47:00,290 --> 00:46:55,680
give his daddy messages for me

1119
00:47:02,450 --> 00:47:00,300
and uh how many meters uh Arizona at a

1120
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:02,460
conference and we've been talk about

1121
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:04,800
once a week since then

1122
00:47:10,910 --> 00:47:09,119
and on the phone or text or but he is a

1123
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:10,920
good guy he's smart

1124
00:47:17,569 --> 00:47:15,119
his daddy was smart his whole family was

1125
00:47:19,970 --> 00:47:17,579
Paul speaks four or five different

1126
00:47:22,190 --> 00:47:19,980
languages he's invited me to go to

1127
00:47:23,690 --> 00:47:22,200
conferences with him in Mexico and

1128
00:47:28,030 --> 00:47:23,700
French

1129
00:47:30,829 --> 00:47:28,040
I don't care nothing about going nowhere

1130
00:47:32,930 --> 00:47:30,839
I've had two or three conferences I

1131
00:47:35,150 --> 00:47:32,940
could have went to this year and I

1132
00:47:38,569 --> 00:47:35,160
mean not gonna fool with it not gonna

1133
00:47:39,290 --> 00:47:38,579
turn around and I I don't know why it's

1134
00:47:41,930 --> 00:47:39,300
um

1135
00:47:45,470 --> 00:47:41,940
free trip more or less for me because

1136
00:47:49,730 --> 00:47:45,480
they buy you plain ticket they pay you

1137
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:49,740
uh what the color humidor then if when

1138
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:51,839
they pay me I buy my wife a plane ticket

1139
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:54,480
it's like a vacation for us yeah yeah

1140
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:56,640
that makes sense I would too that's a

1141
00:48:03,710 --> 00:48:00,240
good idea yeah yeah we got all invited

1142
00:48:07,309 --> 00:48:03,720
to Oregon to that one uh Mammoth oh

1143
00:48:09,530 --> 00:48:07,319
amendment I forget the name of it but

1144
00:48:12,530 --> 00:48:09,540
they seem real nice but I could care

1145
00:48:14,930 --> 00:48:12,540
less about going yeah of course now I'm

1146
00:48:19,069 --> 00:48:14,940
taking treatments for cancer

1147
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:19,079
my health has turned bad and uh

1148
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:27,290
if it's a traumatic experience obviously

1149
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:29,280
you kept it quiet for years you don't

1150
00:48:32,990 --> 00:48:30,960
want to go there you don't want to have

1151
00:48:34,910 --> 00:48:33,000
to you don't want to talk about it right

1152
00:48:36,349 --> 00:48:34,920
it wasn't cool you didn't enjoy it it

1153
00:48:39,530 --> 00:48:36,359
wasn't something you want to ever happen

1154
00:48:41,690 --> 00:48:39,540
again so that makes total sense yeah I

1155
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:41,700
sure don't want it to happen again

1156
00:48:47,690 --> 00:48:44,000
oh

1157
00:48:49,010 --> 00:48:47,700
it's just something that uh I don't

1158
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:49,020
enjoy

1159
00:48:56,690 --> 00:48:55,680
stories and I catch myself comparing the

1160
00:48:58,849 --> 00:48:56,700
stories

1161
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:58,859
and some of the people that that drive

1162
00:49:04,190 --> 00:49:01,440
up to the house that's come here

1163
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:04,200
they have are credible but there's some

1164
00:49:07,790 --> 00:49:05,520
of them I don't believe

1165
00:49:10,190 --> 00:49:07,800
I'm just being honest with you I don't

1166
00:49:11,930 --> 00:49:10,200
believe they just too far out there yeah

1167
00:49:16,270 --> 00:49:11,940
and uh

1168
00:49:22,609 --> 00:49:19,250
we had about three weeks ago she said

1169
00:49:25,309 --> 00:49:22,619
you know I got 10 angry babies in a jar

1170
00:49:26,750 --> 00:49:25,319
that I had and they put up on the Shelf

1171
00:49:29,569 --> 00:49:26,760
in the house

1172
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:29,579
I said I'll buy one of them from you

1173
00:49:35,089 --> 00:49:32,400
just because DNA I said uh you name the

1174
00:49:38,990 --> 00:49:35,099
price go get him and I'll buy him yeah

1175
00:49:42,589 --> 00:49:39,000
and a jar of pickled and it don't matter

1176
00:49:44,450 --> 00:49:42,599
but you know people change their mind

1177
00:49:46,430 --> 00:49:44,460
that's the difficulty with us too

1178
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:46,440
finding incredible guests I mean there's

1179
00:49:50,809 --> 00:49:49,200
a lot of Fringe stuff with this topic we

1180
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:50,819
have some good friends that you know

1181
00:49:55,250 --> 00:49:53,040
agree with us politically and everything

1182
00:49:57,049 --> 00:49:55,260
else and then we tell them we run an

1183
00:49:58,970 --> 00:49:57,059
alien podcast they're like what aliens

1184
00:50:00,650 --> 00:49:58,980
you guys believe in that so it is a

1185
00:50:01,730 --> 00:50:00,660
polarizing subject for sure not

1186
00:50:05,390 --> 00:50:01,740
everybody

1187
00:50:07,069 --> 00:50:05,400
respect that it could be you know that

1188
00:50:09,530 --> 00:50:07,079
it deserves and some people are credible

1189
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:09,540
and you represent a handful of people

1190
00:50:14,049 --> 00:50:12,240
out of the millions of cases that you

1191
00:50:16,849 --> 00:50:14,059
just can't refute right there's nothing

1192
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:16,859
ever that's gone against the story and

1193
00:50:20,329 --> 00:50:18,480
you know we consider Bob was our story

1194
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:20,339
to be essentially the same you know

1195
00:50:24,530 --> 00:50:22,319
these are people that gain nothing from

1196
00:50:26,569 --> 00:50:24,540
it it was hell on their life it cost

1197
00:50:28,670 --> 00:50:26,579
them money and affected their families

1198
00:50:30,530 --> 00:50:28,680
and their relationships they got nothing

1199
00:50:32,690 --> 00:50:30,540
out of it even if you're the subject of

1200
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:32,700
a book it's not like you're you made 20

1201
00:50:37,970 --> 00:50:34,559
million bucks from it and you're living

1202
00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:37,980
on a yacht it's the juice wasn't worth

1203
00:50:43,010 --> 00:50:40,380
the squeeze sometimes right people don't

1204
00:50:47,870 --> 00:50:43,020
realize they rarely know money talking

1205
00:50:50,450 --> 00:50:47,880
about is or anything I did it all not

1206
00:50:53,930 --> 00:50:50,460
for the money I had money until I got

1207
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:53,940
sick but I did it to get story out there

1208
00:50:57,890 --> 00:50:55,200
because

1209
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:57,900
you get the right story out

1210
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:00,960
and uh I've had people tell me it's like

1211
00:51:05,150 --> 00:51:02,640
sitting in the living room when they do

1212
00:51:06,829 --> 00:51:05,160
read part of the book it's like sitting

1213
00:51:09,410 --> 00:51:06,839
in the living room to listen to you tell

1214
00:51:11,710 --> 00:51:09,420
your story yeah

1215
00:51:16,730 --> 00:51:14,809
it's yeah and like I say who am I to

1216
00:51:19,309 --> 00:51:16,740
doubt anybody even the one with the

1217
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:19,319
babies in the jar who might have doubted

1218
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:22,319
I just simply put her on the spot and

1219
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:24,240
told her I died from her

1220
00:51:28,730 --> 00:51:25,920
and I would

1221
00:51:31,130 --> 00:51:28,740
well usually when I would too yeah yeah

1222
00:51:32,510 --> 00:51:31,140
standing bid I'll buy an alien baby in

1223
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:32,520
the jar if you can't prove it's legit

1224
00:51:37,010 --> 00:51:35,280
yeah what's uh this is a question that I

1225
00:51:39,230 --> 00:51:37,020
I was wondering about your case but do

1226
00:51:40,849 --> 00:51:39,240
you remember any smells at all like when

1227
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:40,859
you wanted to ship was there a smell at

1228
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:41,760
all

1229
00:51:47,809 --> 00:51:45,839
well to be honest with you Casper Gola

1230
00:51:50,510 --> 00:51:47,819
has a pony plan

1231
00:51:53,690 --> 00:51:50,520
and it smells all the time it is rough

1232
00:51:55,069 --> 00:51:53,700
right and uh you can't smell nothing but

1233
00:51:58,130 --> 00:51:55,079
dead fish

1234
00:52:01,130 --> 00:51:58,140
okay from there of course I don't think

1235
00:52:03,950 --> 00:52:01,140
in October that year they was cooking

1236
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:03,960
but it's still the smell of dead fish

1237
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:05,760
around right

1238
00:52:10,609 --> 00:52:08,240
so that's all you could smell on

1239
00:52:12,290 --> 00:52:10,619
its smell right and it's kind of

1240
00:52:14,030 --> 00:52:12,300
nauseating

1241
00:52:18,589 --> 00:52:14,040
without the other

1242
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:18,599
I I've been asking her hypnosis and uh

1243
00:52:25,849 --> 00:52:22,559
yeah I never played in hypnosis till

1244
00:52:28,609 --> 00:52:25,859
I got hypnotized and now you know

1245
00:52:31,790 --> 00:52:28,619
and it's not something somebody can lead

1246
00:52:32,990 --> 00:52:31,800
you to do but it's something that's

1247
00:52:37,250 --> 00:52:33,000
um

1248
00:52:39,890 --> 00:52:37,260
sharpens your memory right and uh it

1249
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:39,900
stays I told Bud Hopkins when he

1250
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:41,280
hypnotized me

1251
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:43,440
I I said now look

1252
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:46,319
don't do like I've seen them people do

1253
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:48,960
on the Las Vegas on the four show or

1254
00:52:54,530 --> 00:52:52,800
nothing maybe a chicken yeah I said

1255
00:52:58,450 --> 00:52:54,540
because I got a ball back in the car and

1256
00:53:04,089 --> 00:53:01,790
that Hopkins is a good guy though yeah

1257
00:53:06,790 --> 00:53:04,099
he uh

1258
00:53:09,530 --> 00:53:06,800
matter of fact I was

1259
00:53:11,569 --> 00:53:09,540
I really don't read any books on this

1260
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:11,579
but I seen a book with his name on it

1261
00:53:16,370 --> 00:53:12,720
the other day

1262
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:16,380
and I was sitting there reading uh it's

1263
00:53:20,809 --> 00:53:18,480
up on my shelf I forget the name of it

1264
00:53:21,890 --> 00:53:20,819
but I was reading that just to see what

1265
00:53:25,309 --> 00:53:21,900
he had

1266
00:53:27,770 --> 00:53:25,319
but Bud Hopkins is a good guy yeah

1267
00:53:30,170 --> 00:53:27,780
how did the hypnosis session vary

1268
00:53:31,309 --> 00:53:30,180
between Bud Hopkins and your Kathleen

1269
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:31,319
murden

1270
00:53:36,589 --> 00:53:33,119
um hypnosis regression but was there any

1271
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:36,599
similarities or differences they are a

1272
00:53:42,109 --> 00:53:38,880
lot of a lot of similarities

1273
00:53:45,230 --> 00:53:42,119
and with Kathleen I remembered more

1274
00:53:46,970 --> 00:53:45,240
about uh more details about the female

1275
00:53:49,609 --> 00:53:46,980
alien

1276
00:53:53,690 --> 00:53:49,619
like I could pinpoint the color of her

1277
00:53:56,089 --> 00:53:53,700
hair and what she had on and believe it

1278
00:53:59,930 --> 00:53:56,099
or not she had clothes on like us and

1279
00:54:00,890 --> 00:53:59,940
they was kind of cover I was looking

1280
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:00,900
um

1281
00:54:05,089 --> 00:54:03,119
I really don't know why I thought she

1282
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:05,099
was woman I just presumed she was a

1283
00:54:09,290 --> 00:54:06,960
woman because she was or it was a woman

1284
00:54:10,130 --> 00:54:09,300
because she was small it looked like a

1285
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:10,140
woman

1286
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:17,690
somebody told me well a lot of times I

1287
00:54:23,630 --> 00:54:20,640
can disguise herself so they won't scare

1288
00:54:27,890 --> 00:54:23,640
you and look the same then I got that I

1289
00:54:30,170 --> 00:54:27,900
got that on my mind right so I thank you

1290
00:54:32,809 --> 00:54:30,180
you know she might have been disguised

1291
00:54:36,109 --> 00:54:32,819
and looked like a real woman or maybe

1292
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:36,119
she did you know like I said coach

1293
00:54:40,670 --> 00:54:38,640
somebody here on Earth we got so many

1294
00:54:43,789 --> 00:54:40,680
different races in so many different

1295
00:54:45,170 --> 00:54:43,799
ways so many people that I wrote down

1296
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:45,180
that they have

1297
00:54:48,410 --> 00:54:47,520
you know different Natures of different

1298
00:54:50,270 --> 00:54:48,420
people

1299
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:50,280
yeah and it makes sense that if you're

1300
00:54:54,770 --> 00:54:52,319
going to have a a weird experience like

1301
00:54:56,329 --> 00:54:54,780
what you had and yours is unique in the

1302
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:56,339
sense that you know you had these

1303
00:55:01,250 --> 00:54:58,559
robotic looking things that came out

1304
00:55:02,329 --> 00:55:01,260
that seemed to be what was protecting

1305
00:55:04,670 --> 00:55:02,339
her

1306
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:04,680
from you because that one of them

1307
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:06,960
interjected or helped her out when you

1308
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:07,920
were

1309
00:55:12,829 --> 00:55:10,559
um basically had enough right you had

1310
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:12,839
your hands on her right so yeah that's

1311
00:55:16,910 --> 00:55:15,359
unique in the sense like you hear others

1312
00:55:19,609 --> 00:55:16,920
people's stories but you never hear

1313
00:55:21,650 --> 00:55:19,619
about handlers or anybody that uh you

1314
00:55:23,870 --> 00:55:21,660
know the muscle in the group and and

1315
00:55:24,970 --> 00:55:23,880
your case has that which makes it

1316
00:55:27,890 --> 00:55:24,980
interesting

1317
00:55:30,890 --> 00:55:27,900
well I I didn't know what an alien was

1318
00:55:33,289 --> 00:55:30,900
supposed to look like until um

1319
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:33,299
I think huh

1320
00:55:38,569 --> 00:55:36,720
what was that little guy the statement

1321
00:55:45,770 --> 00:55:38,579
that movie that Stephen King come out

1322
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:45,780
with kind of cute uh E.T no yeah yeah

1323
00:55:50,030 --> 00:55:47,520
you know after first

1324
00:55:53,150 --> 00:55:50,040
imagination angry and I've ever seen

1325
00:55:55,789 --> 00:55:53,160
then people crossing them big eyes and

1326
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:55,799
stuff yeah I don't know where they

1327
00:56:02,809 --> 00:55:59,520
unless I did get it from all then but

1328
00:56:05,450 --> 00:56:02,819
the skin is similar yeah

1329
00:56:07,309 --> 00:56:05,460
no this is awesome uh Louis do you have

1330
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:07,319
any uh final questions for our guest

1331
00:56:12,109 --> 00:56:09,359
today no I just wanted to say thank you

1332
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:12,119
Calvin we know that uh it's probably the

1333
00:56:17,329 --> 00:56:14,640
50th time you've told this story or more

1334
00:56:18,829 --> 00:56:17,339
maybe uh we seem to have got some unique

1335
00:56:21,049 --> 00:56:18,839
details out of it I've heard your story

1336
00:56:23,089 --> 00:56:21,059
at least a dozen times but today I think

1337
00:56:25,309 --> 00:56:23,099
you shared some extra little tidbits

1338
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:25,319
that I had never heard before so well

1339
00:56:29,809 --> 00:56:27,359
I'm glad yeah for our listeners that

1340
00:56:32,030 --> 00:56:29,819
don't know who you are now you know that

1341
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:32,040
you're uh again your legacy is your

1342
00:56:35,690 --> 00:56:34,079
story whether you wanted it to turn out

1343
00:56:38,510 --> 00:56:35,700
that way or not that's sort of the

1344
00:56:40,130 --> 00:56:38,520
coarse life through at you and uh we

1345
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:40,140
find you to be a really respectable man

1346
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:42,000
we're Believers you know we

1347
00:56:45,289 --> 00:56:43,440
wholeheartedly believe you and we

1348
00:56:46,730 --> 00:56:45,299
support everyone else that's been part

1349
00:56:49,130 --> 00:56:46,740
of your experience too like Philip

1350
00:56:50,750 --> 00:56:49,140
mantle and Kathleen and you know other

1351
00:56:53,089 --> 00:56:50,760
credible people that put their name on

1352
00:56:54,370 --> 00:56:53,099
the line and stand behind you so

1353
00:56:57,650 --> 00:56:54,380
um

1354
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:57,660
is a good man he does what he says he's

1355
00:57:00,170 --> 00:56:58,799
honest

1356
00:57:03,170 --> 00:57:00,180
oh

1357
00:57:04,430 --> 00:57:03,180
we become friends since the books come

1358
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:04,440
out and

1359
00:57:10,730 --> 00:57:07,200
he he he's if there's ever been a true

1360
00:57:13,609 --> 00:57:10,740
friend he's one yeah no he's he seems

1361
00:57:16,490 --> 00:57:13,619
like a a legit uh person that you want

1362
00:57:17,930 --> 00:57:16,500
on your side he's uh he's a nice man

1363
00:57:19,490 --> 00:57:17,940
like you said yeah we enjoyed having him

1364
00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:19,500
on the show it was a great conversation

1365
00:57:25,549 --> 00:57:22,799
and having what I like about him what I

1366
00:57:27,890 --> 00:57:25,559
like about him he investigates

1367
00:57:31,130 --> 00:57:27,900
yeah and if you're running around

1368
00:57:33,950 --> 00:57:31,140
he don't mind getting up and saying it I

1369
00:57:36,770 --> 00:57:33,960
seen him get on that Pope's case you

1370
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:36,780
know and and ride him to the end yeah

1371
00:57:41,690 --> 00:57:40,079
that's pretty funny you see that I see

1372
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:41,700
that online every once in a while when

1373
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:43,920
he's on Nick Pope's case and uh yeah

1374
00:57:47,329 --> 00:57:46,319
it's pretty funny no Calvin I appreciate

1375
00:57:49,609 --> 00:57:47,339
your time

1376
00:57:51,890 --> 00:57:49,619
um I'm appreciative of your story and

1377
00:57:54,170 --> 00:57:51,900
I'm happy that you decided to start

1378
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:54,180
talking about it openly

1379
00:57:58,430 --> 00:57:56,160
um well I appreciate y'all having me

1380
00:58:00,170 --> 00:57:58,440
yeah it's it's amazing to have you on

1381
00:58:02,510 --> 00:58:00,180
and like I said let's have you on again

1382
00:58:06,410 --> 00:58:02,520
if you're willing and uh everything's

1383
00:58:09,710 --> 00:58:06,420
good uh let's have you on again let's do

1384
00:58:12,650 --> 00:58:09,720
it perfect love to maybe about the time

1385
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:12,660
at uh Phillips Cafe um

1386
00:58:18,890 --> 00:58:15,599
Philip's new book comes out absolutely

1387
00:58:20,829 --> 00:58:18,900
we'll have you been finished and uh see

1388
00:58:25,370 --> 00:58:20,839
what I don't even know what he's saying

1389
00:58:26,750 --> 00:58:25,380
in the book yeah yeah because I well I

1390
00:58:28,670 --> 00:58:26,760
didn't want to know he don't mind

1391
00:58:31,849 --> 00:58:28,680
telling me yeah but uh they've

1392
00:58:35,569 --> 00:58:31,859
interviewed some more witnesses and they

1393
00:58:37,730 --> 00:58:35,579
got some more proof somewhere nice and a

1394
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:37,740
lot of stuff in the book now I'm looking

1395
00:58:42,829 --> 00:58:40,319
forward to it nice well we'll have you

1396
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:42,839
back on with uh with Philip then that

1397
00:58:47,450 --> 00:58:45,359
sounds good sounds like a plan all right

1398
00:58:49,730 --> 00:58:47,460
all right Calvin thank you so much for

1399
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:49,740
your time I appreciate it thank you

1400
00:58:53,610 --> 00:59:02,349
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